The latest instalment of Moog Music‘s Category 5 interview series—which is named after the cables used to enable modern digital communication—features ambient musician and composer Robert Rich. The Category 5 series offers unique insight into key artists in today’s creative landscape—as well as offering free EPs by the artists.

In the video, Rich chats, quite deeply, about his earliest musical influences, modular synthesizers, and learning polyrhythm from tree frogs. You can watch the video in full below, with Robert Rich’s Hiding In Daylight EP available as a free download.